tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4531506767067177426.post295529352516033714..comments2023-10-14T06:20:18.326-04:00Comments on fat in nyc: THE MANY FAT ACCEPTANCE MOVEMENTSnycivanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06859320328941470255noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4531506767067177426.post-66700760711981062862009-11-22T20:12:33.538-05:002009-11-22T20:12:33.538-05:00As another member of the CPAP club:
I need more ...As another member of the CPAP club: <br /><br />I need more pressure when I have a cold or sinus issues. Since I have allergies and asthma, this happens a LOT. I use an auto-adjusting CPAP so that *IT* can adapt to my current breathing for me. (It's certainly more awake when I'm asleep than I am ;) <br /><br />*hugs*Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4531506767067177426.post-78585903681113194042009-11-21T23:17:50.048-05:002009-11-21T23:17:50.048-05:00Ivan
I applaude you for expressing how you feel, ...Ivan<br /><br />I applaude you for expressing how you feel, and noticing the many faces of FA.<br /><br />If we think about the HAES philosophy, it is a great place to start. Eating good things for your body, and doing some kind of movement (like playing your drum!). Those things seem to automatically put you in a better mood, reduce stress, and provide a sense of well being that hopefully will allow you to cope with the usual stress, and the not so usual stress.<br /><br />Think about how you feel and what you want to do for you. Take weight loss out of the picture for you right now.<br /><br />RE: Sleep apnea. I am with Golda....get it checked. I also know that NYU has a Sleep Disorders Center, and might be worth consideration.<br /><br />Sometimes I think FA is kinda like college-- you get out of it what you put in, as well as you can take out what you want. <br /><br />Let your heart guide you...<br /><br />Sending a big fat hug,<br />KIRA NERUSSKAYAKira Nerusskayahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18030797166406928578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4531506767067177426.post-17358443448107262572009-11-21T02:11:12.244-05:002009-11-21T02:11:12.244-05:00Hey Ivan,
I just wanted to applaud your openness ...Hey Ivan,<br /><br />I just wanted to applaud your openness and willingness to tackle this question. I think you got a lot of great comments.<br /><br />I wanted to echo what Linda said and let you know that I think you're on the right track. Keep connecting to the sense of self love that you're developing. The more you love yourself, the easier it is to hear your intuitive sense of what you need, on everything from food to exercise to emotional boundaries. You are definitely on that path right now, so let it keep evolving.<br /><br />Also, regarding the sleep apnea, it might be worth it to chat with your sleep doctor. Maybe there's a different mask or the cpap could be retitrated? I know it's a pain in the ass, but it might be worth it.<br /><br />Sending you love!<br /><br />xoxo,<br />Golda<br /><br />P.S. If that hellfire "diet coach" who was on after me on the radio today set this off, banish that chick from your mind. If L-glutamine and grapefruit were the key to healthy weight loss, I would be writing to you while sitting on my pile of money at the L-glutamine factory. :)Golda Poretsky, H.H.C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17174135930748899747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4531506767067177426.post-71621134684821165962009-11-20T18:59:27.153-05:002009-11-20T18:59:27.153-05:00I'm really glad that there are a lot of differ...I'm really glad that there are a lot of different ways of seeing Fat Acceptance. Part of Fat Acceptance (all branches will agree ;) ) is about size diversity. Diversity is beneficial and empowering. I think the same goes for the variety of ways that the movement operates. When there's one central authority dictating it easily loses touch with what's happening on the ground. That's not to dismiss the importance of guidance and structure, but just to note that our own diversity as a movement will empower us to welcome more and varied members to our ranks based on appealing to more people for the nuances our differences suggest.<br /><br />But I don't think that's why you were writing what you were. I think you are concerned with your health and the ways that the potential result of one course of action might conflict with what's happening overall in the movement. That said, I must agree with Linda's comments. Though weight loss itself might prove beneficial for the time that it lasts and in regards to specific issues, the long term result - as you said you were aware of - is likely that you will regain that weight and when you do, the ramifications of that (both psychologically and physically as Linda points out) will have potentially greater effects than your current situation. <br /><br />That's just my thought on the matter and at the end of the day, Bianca's right - you have to figure out what you think is best for you, Ivan.<br /><br />As an aside, and in reference to the dual nature of the post related to what kids experience, I had the opportunity to speak with another middle school class today on Size Diversity.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08133685579710311231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4531506767067177426.post-24533009121794433122009-11-20T16:32:42.318-05:002009-11-20T16:32:42.318-05:00I am totally cool with just one person dictating e...I am totally cool with just one person dictating exactly how Fat Acceptance should be.<br /><br />As long as that person is me. :P <br /><br />I think this whole accepting your self thing, and trying to figure out not only what you believe, but how it works for you takes time. At the end of the day it's your body, your health, your decision.<br /><br />BiancaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4531506767067177426.post-28328007048883286782009-11-20T16:07:40.123-05:002009-11-20T16:07:40.123-05:00Ivan,
You're very welcome. Thank you for unde...Ivan, <br />You're very welcome. Thank you for understanding and accepting me.<br /><br />Introspection is good for the health of the mind, so keep going.karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14942575379261463930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4531506767067177426.post-77510510537251373852009-11-20T14:54:41.806-05:002009-11-20T14:54:41.806-05:00Linda, thanks so much for taking the time to comm...Linda, thanks so much for taking the time to comment. My gut, heart, and head all agree that pursuing losing weight (for me) is too risky. I think as my food evolves while I look at my cravings, hunger and all the other stuff that you and others speak to, I probably will lose some weight. However, I truly believe that I am cut from the stone where intentional attempts at weight loss are going to hurt me, not help me. Again thanks for your kindness and comment.nycivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06859320328941470255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4531506767067177426.post-70358920904900812552009-11-20T14:48:04.264-05:002009-11-20T14:48:04.264-05:00Hey Ivan,
I so admire you for publicly working th...Hey Ivan,<br /> I so admire you for publicly working through this stuff. Your journey is an inspiration. Here's some unsolicited advice that may help you. In the HAES and FA movements, where many of us are educated enough to know that attacking fat isn't helpful and that health issues related to weight are exaggerated and blown out of proportion, it can be a little scary when we start thinking about whether fat is contributing to a health problem and if so, what to do about it. But here's my take. I don't think its helpful to spend much time thinking about whether weight loss would be helpful, because pursuing it just seems to get people into trouble - on many levels, including psychological and physical. So even if it were helpful for people who have sleep apnea to be thinner, I still don't think the benefits outweigh the risks of pursuing weight loss. I just want to support you in doing all the stuff you know to do around supporting your emotional well-being and healthy lifestlye habits. You may not lose weight, but that stuff is still really valuable for coping with your illness - and doesn't carry the risks associated with pursuing weight loss. (Note that I'm not oppposed to weight loss, it's the pursuit of weight loss that I find problematic. Some people - the minority - do find its a side effect of other changes.)<br />Wishing you all the best - and the confidence to keep up the great stuff you're doing...<br />Linda BaconLinda Baconhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09668922148810695281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4531506767067177426.post-62693897358612285002009-11-20T14:47:32.576-05:002009-11-20T14:47:32.576-05:00Ruth, thanks for the suggestions. I too believe ...Ruth, thanks for the suggestions. I too believe that getting clearer on why I am choosing to eat what I do is a good thing. As I move deeper into this stuff, I find myself checking in on my desires, cravings, hunger etc, to get clearer on my motives... without judgement, and without restricting or depriving myself of any food. It is a process of self discovery<br /><br />Karen, thanks for taking a risk in talking about eating to loose weight, It doesn't really feel safe to do that on the Fat-O-sphere, yet I wonder if there is a place for that kind of thinking. From where I stand right now, I think (have a hunch) keeping to focus on my health, getting clearer on the why's of my hunger is going to help me get to a place where I am more comfortable in my body. I am very hesitant to declare that I want to lose weight, mainly because that has never, ever, ever, lead to success for me. I will admit, though, your train of thought about getting to a size 18 for the reasons you stated doesn't seem like blasphemy, however, like you said you are taking a risk of being taken down in flames with diet talk...<br /><br />If as I get clearer on my bodies hunger and cravings etc, I do believe that I will probably lose some weight. I just do not see myself making that a goal right now, for many reasons, some of which are my history of nothing but failure and also my desire to be "in line" with the FA party line... all of these beliefs are under review at all times like you said I am an introspective guy... wouldn't it be nice if introspection burned calories?nycivanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06859320328941470255noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4531506767067177426.post-17888212087596370902009-11-20T13:47:50.086-05:002009-11-20T13:47:50.086-05:00Ivan,
I agree with Ruth (above) and I personally...Ivan, <br /><br />I agree with Ruth (above) and I personally try to balance self-acceptance, eating and exercise. A few weeks ago, you posted some thoughts about your health problems and losing weight. I feel that you are trying to reconcile your belief in FA and HAES with your body's needs.<br /><br />At the risk of being taken down in flames, I will tell you that I, too, believe in those things, but I am eating to lose weight. I guess my belief only goes up to a certain point. I have some health issues and two years ago, I decided to change my eating habits and exercise more. I lost 50 lbs very slowly and I'm slowly losing about 1 pound a month. Not hating my body, not severely restricting my food intake (in fact, I feel satisfied after each meal), not hoping to lose in order to fit any media stereotype. I wanted to be able to do a load of laundry, walk to the mailbox, without sweating profusely.<br /><br />My goal was, and is, to get to size 18 (still fat) and maintain. I think this is achievable, despite the gloom and doom FA statistics. I eat cake (sometimes) ice cream (sometimes) bacon (sometimes) - you get the idea.<br /><br />I'm telling you this as an example of how an individual (me) lives with FA and is losing weight. I don't talk about what I'm eating or not eating, and I don't allow people around me to talk diet-ese either. I don't see anything wrong with wanting to be healthier. <br /><br />ie...I have very fine hair so I get good flattering haircuts, I look great in blue, so I wear it a lot, I am a "fat-storer" metabolically speaking, so I eat mindfully of that. <br /><br />You are very introspective; I hope you find your path. Do whatever you have to do to live your life. Believe that you deserve to try (and fail) and try again all strategies toward better health.karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14942575379261463930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4531506767067177426.post-27584027811803259882009-11-20T11:34:54.077-05:002009-11-20T11:34:54.077-05:00Ivan,
I have heard that there are very promising...Ivan, <br /><br />I have heard that there are very promising breathing and tongue exercises that help with sleep apnea.<br /><br />I also believe that any kind of yoga/meditation practice that focuses on the breath could be benificial for you.<br /><br />As far as FA and "losing weight" (or not) is concerned:<br /><br />HAES is all about pursuing healthy nutrition. This may/may not translate into weight loss. I've found, in my own life, there is sometimes a conflict between what I feel like eating PSYCHOLOGICALLY and what makes me feel good PHYSICALLY. Developing more insight into that helps me make better choices (not better morally, just better for me in a global sense).<br /><br />Best of luck to you with your health.Ruthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12503183987906575422noreply@blogger.com